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Posted:9/7/2008 8:01:55 PM
Is Santiago 10/11/08 the first series race or Fiesta 10/12?

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/7/2008 9:08:44 PM
I wondered the same thing Paul. I'm kind of assuming that it is Santiago. I'm planning on participating at both venues that weekend so far. My blog: http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

gtingley
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Posted:9/8/2008 6:42:57 AM
Series #1 race is Santiago, Fiesta is #2, the calendar has been updated with the first 7 races of the '09 series, the addl 9 to 10 events will be added in Nov/Dec once the calendars are released ... not sure yet if Toms farms will have one in Feb

jstevenson
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Posted:9/9/2008 8:04:53 PM

Its a bummer that the first two races are on the same weekend. I have to pick one or the other. And unfortunately, since ALL races count toward the points, that means an immediate disadvantage to anyone who races both.

Its also disappointing because I love both the Santiago and Fiesta courses, because they are completely different. And I hate to have to pick one over the other.

And finally, I have to add, that its a bitch anyway to race back-to-back races in October, which is the base period for most of us.

Obviously, the calendar is set, but I hope the conflicts can be worked out better in the future. Perhaps if multiple venues occur on the same weekend, only one is chosen for the points series.

mvallender
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Posted:9/10/2008 4:29:42 PM
Jim, which category are you going to race this year? I will sign up for both races in that category so I can get a head start on you

jstevenson
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Posted:9/11/2008 1:17:08 PM
ummmm.....Recumbents 90+. bring it on!

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/11/2008 8:41:23 PM

Posted By jstevenson on 9/9/2008 8:04:53 PM
Perhaps if multiple venues occur on the same weekend, only one is chosen for the points series.

Or maybe they just make a general rule of 1 race drop per season. If that happens to be a back to back race then so be it. At least then, those of us that can make both aren't penalized either. 1 allowable drop would give everyone the option to drop one race...either one that you can't attend or the slowest of all events if the racer attended all of them.

Something like that might be better for both sides of the coin. Personally, I haven't raced either venue so I'll be looking forward to cashing in on essentially a free race to learn the courses.

My blog:
http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

jstevenson
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Posted:9/12/2008 1:02:35 PM

Posted By mtv8dmarine on 9/11/2008 8:41:23 PM

Posted By jstevenson on 9/9/2008 8:04:53 PM
Perhaps if multiple venues occur on the same weekend, only one is chosen for the points series.

Yes, I agree. I'd be in favor of dropping one race, either your worst or one you didn't attend. Its very difficult for anyone to make every single race.

mvallender
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Posted:9/12/2008 3:15:46 PM

Dropping one race isa good idea but I don't think it is ideal. I don't know about al the categories, but in the category I have competed in the past few years the person who took first in the series was not the best rider just the one who was able to make the most races. I am not sure how to solve this fairly. Maybe something like everyone's top X races count towards the series title. X would have to be high enough to encourge partcipation in a lot of events but not so high as to favor the person who has no other commitments in life

For my category X would have to be like 5 or 6. What do you think?

redfix5
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Posted:9/12/2008 3:16:05 PM

i hear you. i would love to see a 1 race drop in the mix. also it would be great to have more space between the places as far as points. with the points so close for each place it forces you to go to every event.. i think is kills the morale of allot of guys and in the end produces less riders showing up if they dont think they can place overall. i myself have finished 2nd overall in the 35+ and due to a recent crash wont be able to ride for 2 more months. and with that and the way the points are i will be to far behind in point once im back able to race... so this year i might have to pass on the series :-(

mvallender
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Posted:9/12/2008 3:24:33 PM
By the way, dropping one race will have no effect on the results as no rider this year did every race, or at least did not earn points on every race...

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/12/2008 4:50:57 PM

Posted By mvallender on 9/12/2008 3:24:33 PM
By the way, dropping one race will have no effect on the results as no rider this year did every race, or at least did not earn points on every race...

Then is there really even that big of a deal if two races are back to back?

I'm new to this series so I'm just kinda asking questions and throwing thoughts around. If I offend anyone (which I hope I don't) please don't take offense.

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http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

gtingley
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Posted:9/12/2008 7:19:49 PM

Rules were based on the SCNCA socal cup http://scnca.org/rules.asp

There are no-drops in either the SCNCA Cup or NRC series. I think Mike is right, no real reason to drop a race, if '09 follows the past event trend, not many will race all 16 (17?) events in the '09 series.

Since the event dates are limited to 4 at Santiago and Toms Farms (except FI and Piru), the goal is to have an even 4 races per venus. Toms may have 5 if they have a Feb 09 event.

jstevenson
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Posted:9/12/2008 8:22:21 PM

good points. dropping one race wouldn't make any difference to the overall points. It would have to be something like best ten or twelve out of sixteen to make a meaningful difference.

As far as whether back to back races makes any difference, it doesn't make any difference in the points, since it all seems to balance out in the end. Like I said, I have to pick per weekend, but I guess thats my problem. (Not so much for the series, just for the fact that I wanna race more, but can't when they're on the same weekend.)

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/12/2008 8:39:21 PM

Well I'll be making an effort to race all 16 events. It's a hell of a lot of driving but oh well...first season racing will definitely be educational.

It'll help keep costs down not staying at the Hilton which I understand many do in SD. I'll stay a little further away at a Best Western and pay $80 a night rather than $300. Big difference and keeps it more affordable to drive all the way down there.

While I may not have a family, I do work f/t and attend college nearly f/t so it's not like I don't have things to do either gents. lol

Hope to see you guys down there.

Has anyone ever thought about perhaps allowing 1 drop per venue...4 total on a season. That might even things out a little more and not cut out too much monies from any 1 venue should too many people elect to drop a single event.

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http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

jstevenson
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Posted:9/13/2008 6:43:04 AM

your suggestion to drop one per venue might be a fair and legitimate option, and have enough impact to make a difference.

The only downside is for the people who live at one geographic end or the other, say S.D. or Ventura. Most SD folks don't go all the way up to Piru and vice versa.

Regarding travel, You must live somewhere in OC since you ride the SA River trail. I live in Costa Mesa and I always drive down for Fiesta. Its and early morning, but its cheaper and easier than a hotel for me. I pack the car the night before and get up around four and hit the road. Its a 90 minute drive for me. Piru is about the same from here.

jstevenson
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Posted:9/13/2008 6:48:48 AM
Posted By mtv8dmarine on 9/12/2008 8:39:21 PM Well I'll be making an effort to race all 16 events. It's a hell of a lot of driving but oh well...first season racing will definitely be educational. well, sixteen races is a lot of races, and if you race them all, you will probably find it difficult to train effectively. What class are you racing anyway? Cat 4?

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/13/2008 9:40:30 PM

Posted By jstevenson on 9/13/2008 6:48:48 AM

Posted By mtv8dmarine on 9/12/2008 8:39:21 PM
Well I'll be making an effort to race all 16 events. It's a hell of a lot of driving but oh well...first season racing will definitely be educational.

well, sixteen races is a lot of races, and if you race them all, you will probably find it difficult to train effectively.

What class are you racing anyway? Cat 4?

Regarding your other previous post. I live in Claremont. I just drive down to the river trail. My g/f lives up in Canyon Country so it's easy to schedule my weekends up at her house (we alternate driving duties) so that it's convenient to attend Piru.

Regarding the quoted post... Out in Piru I race Cat 5. I could race Cat 4 but would find myself out of decent placing for the time being so until I find myself winning Cat 5 and doing it consistently, I'll hold off on bumping myself up.

When I registered for FI, I was forced into registering Masters 30 - 39. I was surprised they don't offer categorized classes. It's really a bummer because I wanted to race Cat 5 under the USCF sanctioned events and still accrue points should I do well enough. Now I'm stuck with Masters 30-39 until the season is over.

As far as training goes, I don't really even know how to begin "effectively" training. I ride specific distances and such every week. I posted a message in the training board a couple days ago. Maybe if you have time, you could take a look and make any suggestions that may come to mind? Right now I'm a pretty well rounded rider. I can do short course and long distance stuff decently.

My blog:
http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

jstevenson
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Posted:9/14/2008 4:54:58 PM

FI has classes for Cat 4/5 as well as Masters. If you want to change, do it now before the race. Just email the race director. If you change class later, you can't move your points, so you should start in the class you wanna race. But 30-39 or Cat 4/5 either one is tough competition. There are some STRONG Cat 4 time trialists.

Time Trials don't count toward USCF upgrades. Only crits and RR's do. But for TT's who really cares. You put down the time and the fastest mans wins.

I'll see your post on training and reply there.

mtv8dmarine
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Posted:9/14/2008 5:27:16 PM

Posted By jstevenson on 9/14/2008 4:54:58 PM
FI has classes for Cat 4/5 as well as Masters. If you want to change, do it now before the race. Just email the race director. If you change class later, you can't move your points, so you should start in the class you wanna race. But 30-39 or Cat 4/5 either one is tough competition. There are some STRONG Cat 4 time trialists.

Time Trials don't count toward USCF upgrades. Only crits and RR's do. But for TT's who really cares. You put down the time and the fastest mans wins.

I'll see your post on training and reply there.

I emailed the race director and requested to switch categories. Don't know if that's the best thing to do my first season but we'll see.

My blog:
http://scottslove2cycle.blogspot.com/

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